Difference between revisions of "Talk:Inscription Regarding the Three Charms of Ikkulu"

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Noah: Curiouser and curiouser. Here we have another mention of Kukuth, again as a third wheel in the supposed Cain and Abel story of Drelzna and Aramin. Not to mention that, as far as history knows (and our Diadochi family tree dictates), Alexander only had two sons. Two sons and no daughters...

According to Olympia's Confession, Kukuth was some kind of monstrosity, although it is unclear if this is meant to be taken literally. If Alexander was truly her father, who, then, is the mother? Ikkulu claims she is related, which suggests a few candidates:

Drelzna (prior to or concurrent with her marriage, (if we are to believe the Fourth page of Text on the Wars of the Diadochi, carried by Zadok) to Antigonus Monophthalmos)

Aramin (which would mean that she was killed by her own daughter, recalling Arsinoe II's statement from the Nineteenth page of Text on the Wars of the Diadochi, carried by Zadok, that 'children, inevitably, only grew up to poison their parents')

Ikkulu herself (In possibly more ways than one -- if Olympia's Confession is accurate and what is suggested by the Inscription on the Monument to Philip II outside Thessaloniki is true, Ikkulu, in a bizarre moment of genderbending, may have impregnated Olymipas in the form of a snake (a feat surely not beyond her) and is actually (technically) Alexander's father (thus cuckolding Philip II). This version of things recalls the life of Tiresias as precedent, and would certainly not be beyond the pale; indeed there may well be a text unknown to the Danger Gang that suggests exactly that (see: Arabic Epitome of Greek Mythological Geneology). Alternatively, Ikkulu may have bedded Alexander to produce Kukuth, but this seems unlikely, as it is pretty well established that Ikkulu had but *two* daughters, and *one* of them died. Of course, she could have slept with both mother *and* son, which would be doubly -- no, triply -- weird)

So there's that.

The phrase from Ikkulu's devotional to Hercales: 'For he dwells forever, far from his pillars / With the father of Enneadecaeteris' echoes the final piece of The Riddle Of Stratoniche's Tomb: 'the name of the father who hoards the most flour that is ground in the mill Sampo-Groti.' See more here: Talk:The Riddle Of Stratoniche's Tomb

A note on the runes: I believe we got five of seven, so two should still be unknown. One of them was 'elk' and I thought the other was 'deer,' but I could just be making that up. Further, those runes glowed faintly magical. I think if they are traced in the right order, it is likely that a fourth charm will be revealed.

Kerry: Remember, her real name is Igwilf, and she is from the North. The Runes have phonetic value in addition to new-age crap meanings. You might want someone who reads Norse runes to sound them out for you, which I bet would give you a clue.

Noah: We have a Norse speaker in the party, thankfully, and we've got the phonetic meanings. They may spell something if sounded out in the right order, as well. What is the source for her real name being Igwilf? I'm not sure if we ever really knew her true name. I don't think we know her origin -- at least I don't. The most I know is that she is old enough to remember when the Norse gods were mere chieftains, but that wouldn't necessarily be so so long before Alexander's conquest. She certainly knows of the flood, but I don't think she lived through it, so there would be plenty of cultures which pre-date her. But all that is guess work really. I have no idea who Ikkulu's parents might be, but I presume she had them.

Hal: My handwriting has a problem in that my Zs look like Js. However, more important is the fact that I accidentally gave the German and not Norse names for the runes. I am making the substitution in the article.

Kerry: I think the Nectanebo's Tomb Inscriptions place his death before the Persian invasion, making whoever said he was Nectanebo in Philip's Court an imposter, and likely Igwilf. The in-game source for her name is an ancient elf named Hler, who was trapped in Kebnekaise. An out of game source is old-school Greyhawk, where her name is Iggwilv and her daughter Drelzna is a vampire.

Noah: Shhhhhhhhhh...! I'm sure nobody here knows what you're talking about. Anyway, happened to old Hler? I'd love to ask him a few questions...

Noah: Of course; the spears! Once more with the spear motif. Eorl surely would have figured it out had he been there.

tcm: "Sol | Perth | Elgr | Othal | Ar" actually, i believe Ar was before Elgr and Othal. i should know, i figured it out.

Noah: Uh... Hal or whoever can correct me if I'm wrong, but SPREO does not spell SPEOR.

tcm: neither does SPAEO, but there you go.

Hal: Sol + Perth + Ar + Othal + Elgr = SPJOR Confusion abounds because the word for J sounds like the English word for R, and the word for R starts with an E (and can only be used as an R terminally, otherwise representing a Z). How "mankind" can be the same as a king in Guinneth is beyond me, but sometimes you get lucky.

tcm: ...so there.